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I haven’t watched any of the debates yet - GOP or Dem - and I probably won’t until we get to the general. Watching Wolf or Pumpkinhaid or the powerphiliac Matthews run through their scripts has the cringe factor of a thousand Bush-Lieberman clinches.

I’m a news junkie, so I know the key positions of most of the candidates, anyway - I don’t worry for my own knowledge of the individuals or the issues. But what does worry me is that by ignoring the debates, by avoiding coverage of the internecine jabs and stumbles of the candidates, and because we don’t have cable, I am missing the national zeitgeist. My take on the candidates (thus far) is:

• Biden: I could never vote for Biden after the Bankruptcy Bill and his refusal to support a filibuster of the Alito confirmation vote.

• Clinton: As a woman, I would love to be able to support Hillary, but she is an old-school triangulator for whom power has far more importance than policy, and looking tough is more important that being right.

• Dodd: I wish Dodd had taken a stand against Lieberman during the Connecticut primary. I know the Senate is all about collegiality, but some issues, like war, trump comity. Dodd’s early support for Lamont (before the primary) could have torpedoed Lieberman’s successful independent run. I like Dodd, but I’m afraid he’s been in the Senate too long to take that body on head-to-head as President. That being said, he’d be a far better choice than Clinton - and I think he’d make a great Supreme Court justice.

• Edwards: Edwards is not without his faults, but he’s my guy for a lot of reasons: his obvious compassion, his conviction, his refusal to back down from a fight, his admission of error on the Iraq war. I’m not sure he and I are on exactly the same page regarding troop withdrawal, and I wish he were more progressive on the issue of marriage equality; but I believe Edwards is the fighter we need now.

• Kucinich: How I wish I lived in an America where Kucinich could be elected. He’d make a fabulous Vice President or cabinet secretary.

• Obama: Oh, how I wish I could support Obama wholeheartedly. He has the fire, but not the courage of his convictions. He’s too easily swayed by the process, and he’s allowing himself to be kneaded into a pliable dough by DC conventional wisdom.

• Richardson: I love Richardson’s anti-war and pro-choice stances, and his intellect is as big as his ego, but he is a free-trade fanatic (he loves NAFTA and the WTO) and would not be the best candidate to strengthen the middle class.

How far am I outside the mainstream?

Conversation around the Thanksgiving table should be interesting this year: my father-in-law is a former Republican who’s been sickened by the Bush administration, and is backing Hillary because it’s his nature to support whoever he thinks is strongest. The rest of us (save my husband, who just wishes they’d all shut up until next October) are progressives with loyalties scattered across the field.

L.’s 4th-grade sense of things is that Clinton or Obama should win, because “we need a change.” I couldn’t agree more, but unfortunately a change in gender or race isn’t the most urgent challenge facing us now. I wish it were that simple.

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  1. Excellent analysis slim. With only a couple of exceptions I think your insight is pretty keen.

    I disagree with you about Dennis the Menace. I hail from Northeast Ohio, stil know a lot of people from up in that area, and I have direct experience that Kucinich is bad news, (to be a lot more polite about it than my faimily and friends are…).

    When he was the Boy Mayor of Cleveland, the City announced one winter that there were over one million unfilled potholes just inside of the city limits, and not counting any of the suburbs, the City had no money to pay to repair them, so stop bitching about it…

    Dennis Kucinich is a Moonbat of the First Degree, and I cannot imagine any Cabinet position he would be suitable for unless we can ensure he goes on the first flight back to Mars; in which case I’d park him at NASA to prepare for the mission…

    Seriously, I think Dennis would benefit greatly from a good, hearty steak dinner followed by a good dump, or maybe some lambchops, extra rare…

    :mrgreen:

    And the rest of my family hails from Union County North Carolina (that’s right…Brother Jesse Helms Country, God Bless us all!!) so don’t even get me started about what my Brother in Charlotte thinks about the Breck Girl…

    :mrgreen:

    1. Above comment written by Chief WahooNo Gravatar on November 16th, 2007 at 1:59 pm (replies, if any, are attributed separately above).
  2. Hey, Chief. I’ll take your insight on Kucinich under advisement. I like his progressivism and anti-war stance very much, but admit I haven’t looked into him beyond his current positions, because I don’t believe he has a chance.

    Re: NC, my sisters are in Mecklenberg County, too (Davidson & Charlotte), and they love Edwards. When he was a senator he was integral to getting some National Institutes of Health funding passed on brain injury research, which is my brother-in-law’s area of expertise; J. spoke with Edwards repeatedly on the legislation and came away very impressed with his grasp of the subject matter.

    But NC is almost as deeply partisan as SC, so it doesn’t surprise me that Edwards would generate diverse opinions there.

    Now, tell the truth: do you think that “Breck Girl” would be the slur of choice if Edwards was a Republican?

    2. Above comment written by slimNo Gravatar on November 16th, 2007 at 2:54 pm (replies, if any, are attributed separately above).
  3. Seems to me that unless Obama or Edwards cave and throws their support to the other (or some major scandal occurs), the Breck girl is going to be the chosen one.

    I have seen Kucinich speak twice in person. The first time was here in Vancouver in a church shortly after the 2004 election. I came away thinking church leadership was quite possibly a much better place for him than Congress.

    The second time was in Portland a couple of months ago. Again I was not impressed with the man.

    It is frustrating because he is so correct on the issues and I want to support him. Ergo why I went to see him speak.

    But there is something intuitive that strikes me wrong about him. My spouse was big on him also until she saw him speak for the first time with me a couple of months ago. She said afterward that she would not vote for him.

    It is funny that very often it is not the words that matter (he has all the right words), it’s something else unsaid. Kind of like music is as much about the silence between the notes.

    3. Above comment written by bushtoolNo Gravatar on November 16th, 2007 at 3:34 pm (replies, if any, are attributed separately above).
  4. I worked for a while in SC at a Nucor Steel wire drawing plant, where we were installing a completely new hot draw machine from Germany. We worked 7, 12 hour days for three months, redesigning and rebuilding the control system from the ground up, before they decided the process was flawed and the project cancelled.

    My wife insisted on packing my lunch every day before I hit the road for work. We both love to cook, so I went to work with a well built sandwich, a hot side of some sort, little containers with olives, or some cranberry sauce, a nice hunk of cake and some cookies…good solid food that made for a hearty lunch while I read the editorial section of the Charlotte Observer…

    The looks I got! The rest of the crew was bringing in things like a dinnerplate full of Mac & Cheese, covered with saranwrap…or what they referrred to as “Hamburger-steak” which was nothing more than a pan-fried hamburger patty, ready to reheat in the microwave, along with all of the expired ketchup packets you wanted to squeeze…

    Slim probably knows what scrapple is, if you don’t, Google it… Imagine a thick slice of scrapple between two slices of wonderbread smeared with as much Kraft Miracle Whip as the bread could absorb….mmmmmmmmmmmmmm….Good cracker!!

    Now THAT is a South Carolina power lunch!!

    I had a welder walk into the lunchroom one day, took a look at my spread, and said:

    I kin tell by the way yoo eet, you ain’t frum ’round here…Yoo onea them Yankee Boys, aintcha?

    I swear to you, it doesn’t matter if you live in South Carolina for 50 years, if you were not born there, you are an outsider, and always will be.

    In case you folks are curious, my idea of a good Democrat is former Senator Sam Nunn. I’ve met him personally, he’s one hell of a good man, and I really do think there would be a Cabinet position for him in a future Administration, as long as it isn’t a Clinton…

    adminNo Gravatar posted a reply on November 17th, 2007 at 10:37 pm:

    Chief,
    In case you were wondering, I believe I accidentally deleted your comment gravatar. You can get it back by inputting the url address of your avatar under “gravatar” in the admin panel. Sorry I messed up.

    South Carolina sounds like Louisiana. Lived there for 3 months in Metairie many years ago. It wasn’t a good place for a NYC/NJ boy married to a woman at the time who was born in Havana. But it taught me that people are very different in different parts of the country, contrary to what some say.

    slimNo Gravatar posted a reply on November 19th, 2007 at 11:18 am:

    Scrapple is right up there with the Pork Brains in Milk Gravy sold in snack-sized cans in just about every convenience store in the South. Mmmm, mmm good.

    I was working as a reporter in GA in 1989, and interviewed Sam Nunn about the Panama invasion. It’s one of the reasons I left journalism. To be lied to so baldly, and filibustered so thoroughly, was a real eye-opener.

    According to Nunn, there was nothing the matter with the U.S. completely abrogating the Panama Canal Treaty, because it was a dumbass treaty to begin with, and after all, what kind of superpower are we if we can’t knock off our own thoroughly compromised despot? I was nauseated and furious when I got off the phone with Nunn - and realized then and there I was not cut out for reporting.

    4. Above comment written by Chief WahooNo Gravatar on November 17th, 2007 at 9:49 pm (replies, if any, are attributed separately above).
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